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Rob Jagger
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I really enjoyed the course I went on it forces you to write and to get involved.
There are no courses teaching anything that can guarantee everyone who does it will be amazingly good at the thing it is they are offering a course on as that is fatuous and absurd. Anyone with any sense knows you don't get anything without hard work, dedication and perseverance:unless you're playing and win the lottery.
Many top pros with glittering careers in TV or Radio went on comedy courses; sometimes it's good to have the obvious pointed out and you might learn something unexpected about you or comedy.
To chide them is to just be cynical. They work for some and not for others just because it doesn't or didn't for you then you are being a churl to criticise.
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Richsparov
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| mullone wrote: | | Courses are generally run by people whose slant on comedy is to suck money out of long-suffering comics rather than punters. It's a bad attitude and shouldn't be encouraged. don't be an abused moose. |
Is this a personal assessment of the amused moose courses or just an excuse for a cheap gag?
I'm thinking of going on it (and no amount of "just don't do courses" will not stop me) but if you have been on it and have specific criticisms of it I'll listen.
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Jon Bon Jovi
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| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:28 am Post subject: |
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I dunno about the other courses but the one I'm about to embark on costs £175.00 for ten 3 hour sessions with respected, established comedians plus a spot in a comp at the end of it to win £100.00 plus a paid spot at the best club night in the area.
Maths - £175/30 = £5.83 per hour (just above minimum wage)*
I don't exactly see these guys driving round in Rolls Royces, wearing silk capes and monocles and smoking expensive cigars.
Certainly, in writing a novel I'd be more wary of any course like this as there is plenty of opportunity for exploitation but a course like the one above is worth it for so many reasons. Enjoyment being pretty high up on the agenda.
*Edit - Its actually half that because there are two people presenting it plus the set up costs, hiring the venue etc. So its even cheaper - they're actually working for about £2.00 per hour each. Beats McDonalds,surely
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spikymike
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| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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It saves a lot of time if you can learn from other people's mistakes, rather than your own. I did the Virginmirth course in Bristol and found it worthwhile. It helps give you confidence performing your material in front of the group, before you face a real audience. Reading a book is no bad idea either. Greg Dean's, Step By Step Guide To Stand-Up Comedy has a lot of useful info.
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James2
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| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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Mullone is a twat.
How dare you suggest that my soul motivation for doing a course was the £26 a week (mmmm glamour) that I got paid for doing it.
Just because some people use courses to screw the gullible out of money doesn't mean we all do, you stupid stupid man. |
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Anthony Miller
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| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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No. It just means that Mr Cook is an avericious old sod.
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Anthony Miller
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| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Jon Bon Jovi wrote: | I dunno about the other courses but the one I'm about to embark on costs £175.00 for ten 3 hour sessions with respected, established comedians plus a spot in a comp at the end of it to win £100.00 plus a paid spot at the best club night in the area.
Maths - £175/30 = £5.83 per hour (just above minimum wage)*
I don't exactly see these guys driving round in Rolls Royces, wearing silk capes and monocles and smoking expensive cigars. |
Silly cunt. Multiply by at least 7 people in your class = £40 an hour.
If you could do it over a 40 hour week over a year you'd be raking in £80 grand a year.
God, you fuckers are just begging to be fucked up the arse, aren't you?
Wake up fuckwit - you may "get something out of it" but people don't run courses
like these because they're into social work. God, I fucking dispair of the utter
ecconomic stupidity of young people today. Were you all born mugs?
It makes me sick.
I am running a £225 course (14 weeks) at the Pear in how to screw people
this will help much more in financing your open mike career.
Do any of you people KNOW THE VALUE OF MONEY?
Besides which as the old Petroleum Exploration Society Motto goes
"He who runs a course can seldom sell the skill he sells"
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Richsparov
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| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Anthony Miller wrote: | Besides which as the old Petroleum Exploration Society Motto goes
"He who runs a course can seldom sell the skill he sells" |
surely not THE old petroleum exploration society
well that's me sold then
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Jon Bon Jovi
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| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Anthony Miller wrote: | | Jon Bon Jovi wrote: | I dunno about the other courses but the one I'm about to embark on costs £175.00 for ten 3 hour sessions with respected, established comedians plus a spot in a comp at the end of it to win £100.00 plus a paid spot at the best club night in the area.
Maths - £175/30 = £5.83 per hour (just above minimum wage)*
I don't exactly see these guys driving round in Rolls Royces, wearing silk capes and monocles and smoking expensive cigars. |
Silly cunt. Multiply by at least 7 people in your class = £40 an hour.
If you could do it over a 40 hour week over a year you'd be raking in £80 grand a year.
God, you fuckers are just begging to be fucked up the arse, aren't you?
Wake up fuckwit - you may "get something out of it" but people don't run courses
like these because they're into social work. God, I fucking dispair of the utter
ecconomic stupidity of young people today. Were you all born mugs?
It makes me sick.
I am running a £225 course (14 weeks) at the Pear in how to screw people
this will help much more in financing your open mike career.
Do any of you people KNOW THE VALUE OF MONEY?
Besides which as the old Petroleum Exploration Society Motto goes
"He who runs a course can seldom sell the skill he sells" |
Absolutely correct, Anthony Miller. That minor detail escaped me and I you quite rightly pointed out some phenomenal stupidity on my part. There are actually supposed 16 people in the class so revised maths: £175 x 16 =£2,800.00.
£2,800/2 teachers/30(number of hours worked) - £46.67 per hour = Nice little earner (not counting the venue hire and admin costs.) Do you think that suddenly changes the people involved from warm, intelligent people worth listening to with a bucketload of decent advice into evil capitalist, exploitative scum?
Just because people are making a profit doesn't mean you're getting fleeced. If you think its worth it, do it. If you don't, don't. I do.
Plus, still only costs ME £175.00.
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Anthony Miller
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| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Jon Bon Jovi wrote: | | Just because people are making a profit doesn't mean you're getting fleeced. |
No. But why give them your hard earned when you could do as many opens for free as you like
until you're good enough to get rebooked more quickly.
As far as I'm concerned these courses produce a lot of people clamouring for opens
who can't be arsed to carry on, book gigs and then don't turn up - waste my time
and give me a pain.
Besides which it's the continual professionalisation of society by the lucrative accademic
industry which would make you pay to learn to wipe your own arse and give you a certificate in it
if they could get away with it.
Also I think it goes against the point of stand-up which is to find your indiviual voice
and not be a clone.
Plus by definition if it actually worked it would be a system designed, by definition,
to exclude the poor.
And I've never much liked most of the people I've met who've run courses.
Mostly they're cunts.
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Anthony Miller
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| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Jon Bon Jovi wrote: | | Plus, still only costs ME £175.00. |
Like I said. Don't know the value of money.
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Jon Bon Jovi
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| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Anthony Miller wrote: | 1) No. But why give them your hard earned when you could do as many opens for free as you like
until you're good enough to get rebooked more quickly.
2) As far as I'm concerned these courses produce a lot of people clamouring for opens
who can't be arsed to carry on, book gigs and then don't turn up - waste my time
and give me a pain.
3) Besides which it's the continual professionalisation of society by the lucrative accademic
industry which who make you pay to learn to wipe your own arse and give you a certificate in it
if they could get away with it.
4) Also I think it goes against the point of stand-up which is to find your indiviual voice
and not be a clone.
5) Plus by definition if it actually worked it would be a system designed, by definition,
to exclude the poor.
6) And I've never much liked most of the people I've met who've run courses.
Mostly they're cunts. |
1) How about doing the opens and the course?
2) If people book on a course expecting their own poor personal discipline which probably includes lack of enthusiasm for stand up to suddenly transform into a relentless drive to do it then they're only fooling themselves and shouldn't go on it. If they do, their money they're wasting. As far as wasting promoters/clubowners time goes then thats just tacky of them, surely you can't do anything about that anyway until it happens then I would assume you wouldn't book them again. I'm not saying it's right butr aren't one off no-shows just an unfortunate but inevitable part of a promoter's life anyway?
3) Can you imagine trying to get a spot by just waving a certificate at a promoter? Courses are for experience, not merit.
4) What if you couldn't project properly or fidget too much. You could say that these could become part of your act, but what if you weren't aware of it? OK, stuff like this will often get pointed out to you by fellow acts and punters but not necessarily straight away. If you know what people consider to be detrimental to your act delivered to you in an environment designed exactly to point this out to you then you can concentrate on the important stuff like material, delivery, timing etc. Also, if you take on board everything that someone tells you just because they've been doing it for longer than you without working out which bits apply to you then you are doing the clone thing which isn't what its about for me but some people are quite happy to go through the motions (its not interesting or inspiring to watch but people have different reasons for doing it.)
5) It's just a bonus. It's not to be relied on and certainly isn't a guarantee of anything, I'm not saying its the only way into stand up, it can help though.
6) The lads running this one are well known, already helpful on several occasions for free and are all good lads.
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Jon Bon Jovi
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| Anthony Miller wrote: | | Jon Bon Jovi wrote: | | Plus, still only costs ME £175.00. |
Like I said. Don't know the value of money. |
I don't when I've got it and when I haven't I do.
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